I'm not a fan of WSM cartridges, but between the two, that is the one I would choose. Washington State. I have seen my son drop several elk with one shot with his 7mm Rem Mag with 160 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw's and deer with 160 gr Speer Mag Tip handloads. I shot a couple 7 mags yesterday. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? The fact that it also has a milder recoil than the 300 Win Mag makes the 7mm Rem Mag a sound choice for those heading out on mountain hunting expeditions. A 160-grain 7mm Core-Lokt Ultra in a current load brings 1,580 foot-pounds to 400 yards – plenty to kill elk, but well shy of the 1,750 delivered by the.300’s 180. The 7mm Rem Mag vs. the 300 Win Mag #6134752 02/04/12: Joined: Dec 2008. With the velocities of both guns, inferior projectiles can break up at veryclose ranges. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs .300 Winchester Magnum ammo rounds. The 175 grain bullet worked well on Elk and caribou for me. gives an advantage in bullet weight. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. vs. 7mm Rem. Most hunters probably agree that the 7mm Remington Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum are both fantastic choices for hunting a wide variety of big game, including bear. is a hard hitting and accurate cartridge, offering a 150 fps velocity increase over the .30-06 Springfield. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. 3.5 lbs. Especially a Supermoon, which can change everything.... Jim, sounds like the same guy I used to work with in Idaho. I have found the recoil between the two to be very similar, with rifle weight playing a larger part than the cartridge does. You want to see an animal drop right now? Mag. … Parent Case: .30-03 Springfield 2. I have never looked back. I would just take whichever gun shouldered better and had less perceived recoil. Additionally, the .300 Win Mag has a shoulder moved further forward than the 7mm Rem Mag. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufact Anybody willing to give odds whether this thread will last as long as the .300 Weatherby thread? Mag. The post-World War II era saw a return to the hunting fields, and a wave of cartridge development followed, with Winchester releasing the .264, .338 and .458 Winchester Magnums in the 1950s, all based on the belted Holland & Holland case shortened and blown out. Just like with the 7mm WSM vs 7mm Rem Mag, even though the 300 WSM uses a case with a larger diameter, the .300 Win Mag also uses a relatively large diameter case itself and is significantly longer. I used 180 gr. 7mm Remington Magnum vs 300 Winchester Short Magnum. I think the question comes down to the gun on that one. 7MM Rem Mag. Like over 400 yards. It’s been all over with me on hunting trips, including Africa, Canada and here at home. They’re both calibers able to handle the longer range shooting of hunting the big ungulates, but also the big body structure of bruins. The old long through is just fine for me. At 500 yards, the 7mm Rem Mag overtakes the 300 Win in stopping power. So i ordered a new rifle in 7mm rem mag to make into my new intermediate/long range elk rig. ive havent recovered a 160 accubond from 11 big game animals, 7 mulies 4 elk, from 160 yards to 834 yards. The .300 WSM will kill elk instantly, but bullets from the 7mm Remington Magnum will bounce off. Had a clean, pass through. Base: 13.0 mm .30-06 Springfield (7.62×63mm) 1. I've been led to believe a ballistic tip isn't ideal for a thick skinned elk. I can see pros and cons for each cartridge. M-700 in 7RM--a Sendero v.1 and it's a fine cartridge no doubt. Big Game Hunting Moose, elk, mulies, caribou, bear, goats, and sheep are all covered here. The way I heard it, bullets from a 7mm RM are going so fast they don't have time to expand so they zip right through the animal. 7mm Rem Mag would be my choice of those two. I've taken much game with the 308, and my Weatherby 300 Alaskan too, but that 7MM-08 is a sweet package as well, plus light on recoil. It's a toss up. and 325 WSM. Both are relatively easy to handload for those who head down that road, running on a good slow-burning powder and a large rifle magnum primer, and both exhibit excellent accuracy with both factory and handloaded ammunition. 300 WSM.... 'cause there's been one in the safe since 2004; been handloading it since '04 and have some "pet loads" and because I don't own a 7mm mag., (but I've always admired that round). It's because nearly all gun manufacturers keep putting the WSM cartridges in short actions so you can't shoot low drag bullets. If we look at the graph, the first thing you should notice is that all ten rounds generate a pretty significant amount of recoil with all over 24ft.lbs of energy. 1,002 Posts . He just soaked up two rounds to the shoulder and one to the neck before wobbling and falling. . But dozens with other .300's.. 7mm Rem. 3.89 lbs. Think, pronghorn, mule, and fallow deer. No elk properly hit with either would know the difference. With the right magnification, objective lens, eyepiece and one-piece tube, this scope can make your hunting or shooting day more worthwhile. A Sako Finnbear and a Kleinguenther. I'm not a fan of WSM cartridges, but between the two, that is the one I would choose. Now for Elk I would much rather have more power to anchor an Elk before it gets a chance to get into … Join Date: Feb 2008. 300 WSM Vs 7mm Rem Mag Which is better for big game. We shot and compared three popular options to help you decide on the best elk cartridge for your style of hunting. Thread Tools 05-13-2008, 09:49 AM #1 ox1443. Also consider 300 Win Mag will have substantially more recoil and cost slightly more to reload. The two Barnes loads have almost an identical amount of wind drift, but the 7mm Rem Mag Nosler AccuBond load has a slight edge over the .300 Win Mag AccuBond load. This is a tough one, as the comparisons between the 7mm bore diameter and the .308″ need to be carefully examined. There is a definite difference between the .300 Win Mag and .300 WSM with all of the .300 Win Mag rounds generating over 26ft.lbs of energy with several in the 29-32ft.lb range. One was a cow elk at 357 yards, free handed nothing near by to steady. Tha… Login or register to post comments; Thu, 2002-11-21 20:21 #6. Wait till you get that 7mm WSM sorted out Gene. Other than that, the critter on the receiving end would never know the difference. Never shot an elk with the WSM.. Some calibers, such as 7mm Remington Magnum, offer more choices than others (7mm WSM, for example). Mag., and if you feel the 7mm offers an advantage, well, there’s a whole lot of game that aren’t available for comment as a result of a 7mm bullet. We did feel the need to mention it, but both the 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 Win Mag cartridges can drive nails with some practice on your end, and they can do it from a distance. Friday, August 31, 2018. We put 3 popular cartridges to a head-to-head-to-head test. Winchester, seeing the wisdom of the .308 Norma Magnum and an opportunity to produce a .30 caliber magnum with the Winchester moniker, extended the case length from 2.50″ to 2.62″, shortening the neck length to 0.264″ to give plenty of case capacity while still fitting in a long-action receiver. Mag. It’s all nitpicking to us. I have tested, owned, built and shot many 7 rem mags, 7mm-300 win mags, a few 7 stw's, a 7 RUM or two and others in the .284 family. Neck: 8.6mm 5. Bullet: 7.2mm 4. Posts: 247 300 WSM Vs 7mm Rem Mag Which is better for big … These calibers, along with similar calibers not evaluated (.264 Win Mag, .270 Wby Mag, 7mm WSM and 7mm Wby Mag) are optimally designed to take medium game at ranges beyond 300 yards. I have tested, owned, built and shot many 7 rem mags, 7mm-300 win mags, a few 7 stw's, a 7 RUM or two and others in the .284 family. If building a tactical rifle that uses AICS magazines, both calibers can use the same chassis and mags. The popularity of magnum cartridges is undeniable; Americans have had a long love affair with speed, and I doubt that will end anytime soon. Based on the .404 Jeffery case the 300 Winchester Short Magnum delivers nearly identical ballistics as the famed 300 Winchester Magnum that has been around since 1962 but being a short round it can be used in short action rifles. Norma followed suit, releasing their .308 Norma Magnum in 1960, giving the same ballistics as the longer .300 H&H Magnum, in a long-action cartridge. I haven't given my preference because--I haven't hunted Elk YET. I no longer have a rifle chambered for either cartridge. The 7mm Remington Magnum was the first on the scene, released in 1962 in conjunction with the new Model 700 rifle. I would much rather skip right past any 300 Mag and have my .338 Win Mag in my hands. I’m looking into buying my next rifle and I drew the line at hard hitting hunting magnums from the .300 Win Mag, because I believe that is a bit too much for me, so I decided on the 7mm Rem Mag. Some may wonder why the popular .270 Win, 7mm Rem Mag and .270 WSM did not have better showings. burnettjv, I’ve witnessed the use of both 7mm Rem Mag and 30-06 on many Bull Moose and the 30-06 definably has the edge on the 7mm Rem Mag! Dan360 OP. Senior Member. Kimber Montana...then 300 WSM. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. 7828ssc 26in factory barrel, same bag of 50 brass has 8 loadings each as of right now, after this weekend i will have to reload all 50 again for the 9th time,,. The 7mm … Poor old things. They're both good cartridges,I own both,a Browning a-bolt 7mm mag and a Tika t3x 300 wsm I bought the 300wsm for Elk hunting if your not shooting large game I would probably go with 7mm. 300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag. If I was limited to one gun for deer and elk in the west the WSM you are suggesting would be about perfect. Does the perfect muley cartridge really exist? The photo below does a great job of showing the differences in external … This is not at all uncommon. The logical bottom end for the .300 Winchester ranges between 130 and 150 grains, depending on bullet construction; the 7mm Rem. I hunt elk with a .300 Win Mag, but 7mm Rem Mag is an excellent choice. 7mm Rem. For me it would be the 7mm RM. Elk Cartridge Showdown: .308 Win vs. .300 Win. The guy was one of my elk-hunting mentors, a firm .30-06 guy, and he was serious. Not a choice in the question but think a .308 is enough gun. If you are determined to use the 7mm bullets look at the 280 rem, 280 improved, and 284 win. The 7mm WSM is similar to the .300 WSM with the case necked down to handle .284" bullets. The 7mm-08 case is just slightly longer than the parent .308—2.035 inches vs. 2.015 inches—but maintains the same 20-degree shoulder of the .308 Winchester. I like short actions, so a WSM. October 2, 2019. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations . Mag. It's hard to beat the killing power of a 7 mag from a cartridge with so little recoil. You see, just as the famous .375 H&H Magnum came onto the scene, Holland & Holland released the .275 H&H Magnum, with a 2.50″ case and the H&H Belt. And I don't even have any rational reasons other than the look of the cartridge. Both will kill an elk. Offline. It followed the Winchester recipe, with a 2.50″ case, but wasn't exactly an original design. I was most always hunting Deer when the Elk showed up. Co. What is meant by an "all-around" rifle cartridge and what are the criteria for choosing one? 7MM Rem Mag. Discussion Starter • #1 • Mar 20, 2009. You guys are forgettin' about them plastic tips melting off...that can't be good. 300 Win. Mag. Just put your shot were it needs to go. I went back to the .308 until I went to Africa again in late 90s and then 2004. in 99 I took a .300 Weatherby and a .375 Weatherby. Which powder are you using to get 3113 fps with a rem mag. If you feel that the largest animals are better served with a larger bore altogether, then it becomes nearly a dead heat between the two cartridges. Within three years, we’d see the two most popular magnums appear on the shelves. Again, there are no flies on a 7mm. Probably more luck than my shooting ability. I really prefer a 338 win mag. At least some companies like Remington and SAKO put the 7mm Rem Mag in rifles with 3.6" magazines so it can shoot low drag bullets. Shoot him in the ear hole. Because I don't like short cartridges. I've taken much game with the 308, and my Weatherby 300 Alaskan too, but that 7MM-08 is a sweet package as well, plus light on recoil. Mag. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, 7mm Remington Magnum vs. 300 Winchester Magnum, Large Mountain Lion Spotted Outside Dallas, Head to Head: .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield, Head to Head: .444 Marlin vs. .45-70 Government, 2020 National Rifle Association of America. Let’s look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. Mag, 300 Win. With comparable bullet weights, the 7mm Mag. I liked the 300, but the 7mm WSM is a great one. Some with the big 7's.. Mag. But can't decide between the 2. I would tell you a 7mm Rem Mag or STW was perfect for any size deer even at distance. Dan360. Mag. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. No rocking, no slamming to the ground. I have also tested a variety of 30 cals, 300 win mag, 300 rum, 30-378, 30 Lapua, and so on. As the 7mm Rem Mag is of smaller caliber than the 300 Win Mag, it is a very good choice for lighter, smaller animals. vs. .300 Win. By Ron Spomer. His name wouldn't be morris by any chance? Campfire Ranger. Both make a great choice for elk, deer, African plains game and smaller bears, and both have the capability to be made in a mountain rifle for sheep and goats. Some might agree the 7mm mag may be alittle flatter shooting if range is an issue but with either gun the projectile makes all the difference in range and energy. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. My vote and what I have personally is the Rem 700 XCR Long Range in 300WM. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. I have never been interested in short mag cartridges. More Guns. Since shooting game beyond this distance is rarely practical, the slightly flatter trajectories of these … Either will neatly terminate deer, sheep, elk and larger game so long at the shooter delivers the right bullet to the right spot. I tend to favor medium to heavy weight bullets of controlled expansion construction for elk hunting and this is reflected in the loads recommended below. .300 Wby,read it here on the 'fire that it's the best ever cartridge for elk. With my 7mm Rem Mag strapped to my backpack I ended up getting it stuck on low hanging branches way more than you would think. I recently saw a rifle, in 7mm WSM, that looks interesting. unseated the .264 Winchester Magnum rather quickly, becoming the darling of Western hunters. I would pick a 7mm mag above the 7mm rum. Winchester recognized the demand for a high velocity, flat shooting, sub-.30-caliber cartridge and announced the .264 Winchester Magnum in 1958, chambered in the Winchester Model 70 Westerner. I have a Ruger 7mm RM made in 1976 that has accounted for several elk and a boatload of deer since it took its first animals in 1977, the darn thing is a death ray out past 500 yards and has produced several groups you could cover with a dime. It measures 2.62 inches – The 7mm Rem Mag is 2.5 inches. Mag. Virtually every one of our bullet diameters have received the magnum treatment at one point in time or another, be it from the Weatherby family of cartridges, or the dynamic duo of Winchester and Remington, or even the boutique shops like Lazzeroni. Top. It gave velocities previously unattainable—at least from an American cartridge—in the 7mm bore diameter, and the new rifle certainly didn’t hurt the popularity. The magnum is known for its hard-hitting power and ballistics when used over long ranges. Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'. The belted cartridge is not going to be quite as accurate as a rimmed cartridge by design. Nonetheless, the magnums are extremely popular, and the two cartridges herein are possibly the most popular of all. In 2004 I took my 99 .270 WSM and a light .375 H&H. ChrisGarrett . They both have the same rim diameter. 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